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Peter Höglund Wednesday 21 Aug 2019 22:20:04
Strange. Sometimes I get a gray turn symbol, like disabled, when I add turn points before I have set one. If you go in to the turn point, do you see a gray turn symbol? If so, can you try to explicitly disable it? Just choose the center 'none' turn point.
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Callum Elliott Thursday 22 Aug 2019 05:17:24
I'll post up the gpx and fit file so you can see.
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Callum Elliott Thursday 22 Aug 2019 09:09:01
Ok, think I've worked it out. With the attached (PAR = plotaroute.com):
- PAR - Fenix 3 - Summary.csv - plotting of all the waypoints across the different files (see notes below)
- PAR Map.png - Screenshot of the route from PAR with the directional waypoints marked manually together with the POI waypoints I'd expect to see in the FIT file
- Test_Route_From_Home DIR.gpx - Export from PAR with waypoints as directions
- Test_Route_From_Home POI.gpx - Export from PAR with waypoints as POIs
- Test_Route_From_Home.csv - FIT SDK conversion of the below FIT file to CSV
- Test_Route_From_Home.fit - Export from PAR as FIT
So it looks like PAR doesn't add coursepoints to the FIT file for POI waypoints and only adds directions, ultimately I'm looking for a FIT file that mirrors the Test_Route_From_Home POI.gpx file.
PAR - Fenix 3 - Summary.csv notes:
- WP name - The name of the WP as it appears in the source
- Source - Where I found the details on that specific WP. PAR Web - the route on plotaroute.com, the others refer to the files above.
- Also in - Where that WP also appears in other sources
- Lat/Long (Dec Deg) - the Lat/Long in decimal degrees
- Lat/Long (Semi Circ) - the Lat/Long in semi-circles (as they appear in the FIT file)
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plotaroute admin Thursday 22 Aug 2019 09:40:22
I think if I understand correctly Callum, you'd like the downloaded course file to contain coursepoints for any labels and symbols you've added directly to the map, as well as those atatched to the route via the directions. We don't currently include these in TCX and FIT course files, as these aren't part of the route, so could hinder navigation. Course files don't really support waypoints like this, in the same that GPX files do. If you want to include a waypoint of some sort in TCX to FIT files that you download, you would need to add this to the list of directions, so that it gets added as a coursepoint at the correct place along the route.
John
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Callum Elliott Thursday 22 Aug 2019 10:11:09
Hi John, kind of. The scenario is this...I do hiking and ultra-running so am usually reading a map or running paths I can match to the breadcrumb trail on my Fenix. In these conditions I don't find directions useful as it's rarely "turn left here" or "bear left here". There are however, in races/events/challenges, checkpoints along the course where I know I'm going to be able to re-fuel, or summits that I know I need to reach, etc. In these cases I find it really useful to know how far the next "POI" checkpoint/summit/etc is, rather than knowing it's going to be 1km until I turn left; I know the latter because I can see the breadcrumb on my watch and can see that on my map.
So in summary I need a FIT file that only gives me what I put on the route via PAR....a route and POI waypoints. Not directions.
In FIT spec language I want the course-points to reflect the POI waypoints and the records to reflect the route.
In fact the FIT spec example (in the SDK) for a course-file shows exactly this, a route (records) with laps (laps) and POI waypoints (course_points) for halfway, start, finish. It does not mention directions.
Does that make sense?
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Callum Elliott Thursday 22 Aug 2019 12:31:17
Also, I ommitted, in races these checkpoints have cut-off times where if I arrive after that time I'm classed as DNF - did not finish. Having these checkpoints as course-points means my Garmin gives me estimated time to arrival at each one.
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Peter Höglund Thursday 22 Aug 2019 15:28:06
Maybe I'm wrong...
I think the main issue here is that directions are added on the map along the route with a symbol that is supported in fit, but anyway the result in the file is a turn symbol.
In my tests I saw that if a turn point has both a direction and a symbol, then the direction is saved to file. Because the direction is behind the other symbol on the map it can be difficult to seewhen there is a combination of the two.
One solution to simplify would be to do it the other way around. Show symbol, not turn, if both are present.
I've seen that sometimes when I add a turn point and automatically get a gray turn symbol, like disabled, and then add a poi symbol, the turn symbol is acitvated when saving the turn point. It's likel intermittent and I can't find a way to constantly reproduce it...
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Callum Elliott Thursday 22 Aug 2019 15:59:25
Hi Peter, I checked the long and lat and the directions match none of my waypoints, so it's not a symbol issue. The issue is that the FIT file doesn't contain POI points but does contain directions. I want the former but not the latter.
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plotaroute admin Thursday 22 Aug 2019 16:12:30
If you want the FIT file to contain coursepoints for POI's but not directions, you can do this by deleting any directions from the route and adding any POI's you want to the directions list instead (rather than adding them as annotations on the map).
John
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Callum Elliott Thursday 22 Aug 2019 16:42:35
Brill thanks John, will do.
